Ep. 73: Motivation at Work

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Unlock Peak Performance: Dive Deep into Workplace Motivation and Goal-Setting with Harmonious Workplaces

Welcome, Harmonious Workplaces Listeners! In Episode 73, hosts Rich Cruz and Ben Kleinman unpack the complex, yet crucial, topic of motivation and share key takeaways to help you and your teams thrive. This episode provides valuable insights into what drives individuals, how to set effective goals, and practical strategies for fostering a more engaged and productive work environment.

Understanding the Two Sides of Motivation: Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic

The discussion kicks off by defining the two primary types of motivation: intrinsic and extrinsic.

  • Intrinsic Motivation: This type of motivation is internally driven. It comes from a person’s inherent value or enjoyment in doing something, often because they find it purposeful, meaningful, or because it builds their internal confidence and sense of autonomy. For example, a runner might be intrinsically motivated by the calm and clarity they gain from a run, or the visualization of themselves as a certain kind of person. Writing, for Rich, provides intrinsic motivation.
  • Extrinsic Motivation: In contrast, extrinsic motivation is driven by external factors or pressures. This could involve working for a salary, seeking a promotion, avoiding being fired, or maintaining status among colleagues. Ben Kleinman humorously notes that you could “not pay them enough money” or “jolt them out of bed with enough voltage” to get some people to run if they lack internal drive.

The podcast highlights that neither type is inherently “right” or “wrong”. However, intrinsic motivation tends to be more sustainable and requires less effort, both from the individual and from the company trying to motivate them. Extrinsic motivation can be useful for kickstarting something new or for one-time achievements, potentially leading to a habit that then becomes intrinsically driven, much like a bet to run a mile could lead to regular running. The key is understanding when to leverage each type to help colleagues reach a “better place”.

The Power of Goal-Setting: Theories and Practical Tools

The episode delves into established theories and practical tools for effective goal-setting, a cornerstone of motivation.

Locke & Latham’s Goal Setting Theory

Rich introduces Locke & Latham’s Goal Setting Theory, developed in 1968, which posits that people are motivated when they set goals that are:

  • Specific: Goals need to be clearly defined.
  • Purposeful: Individuals must feel a sense of purpose connected to their goals.
  • Challenging: There needs to be a degree of difficulty that requires overcoming obstacles to achieve the goal.

The hosts liken this to video games, where players are motivated to defeat a “boss level” or complete a storyline, even as the challenges become progressively harder. Overcoming these challenges motivates individuals to “up level”.

SMART Goals: Your Blueprint for Achievement

Building on Goal Setting Theory, the concept of SMART goals is introduced as an important aspect of setting challenging goals:

  • Specific
  • Measurable
  • Attainable
  • Relevant
  • Time-bound

Crucially, there needs to be a sense of ownership over these goals for them to be sustainable. Without it, a SMART goal might be achieved, but constant external prompting will be needed for future goals. When self-driven, SMART goals become “almost effortless”.

Kaizen and the “Dopamine Hit”

The discussion also touches on Kaizen, a Japanese concept of making “one small change or one small step” to improve something. Achieving these small steps builds confidence and mastery, gradually shifting motivation from extrinsic to intrinsic.

The hosts note that completing tasks, whether big or small, often provides a “dopamine hit” – a feeling of satisfaction or enjoyment that reinforces the behavior. This can be from an extrinsic reward like a bonus or an intrinsic one like achieving a personal best in running. Gamification, like the “pretty rainbows” or “unicorn” that appear in project management tools when a task is completed, can leverage this concept to make work fun and rewarding.

Addressing Unmotivated Colleagues: A Holistic Approach

A key part of the episode focuses on how to address a colleague who appears unmotivated.

Self-Determination Theory: The Core Needs

Self-Determination Theory highlights three core psychological needs that drive motivation:

  • Relatedness/Connection: People need to feel a sense of belonging and connection with others. They need to understand their “real purpose” and how they are “important to this company”.
  • Autonomy/Control/Ownership: Individuals need to feel they have some control over their lives, behaviors, and goals. This ties into the ownership aspect of goals.
  • Competence/Mastery: People need to feel capable in their ability to do something and gain mastery over their environment. An example shared is a salesperson who, through small wins and coaching, built self-confidence in using new technology.

The goal is to connect an individual’s “why” to the “organizational why,” ensuring their personal purpose aligns with the company’s mission and needs. As Ben explains, this requires recognizing what is important to someone and tying it into both personal and organizational goals. Rich also introduces the concept of valence as the “degree of goodness or badness of something,” which helps in recognizing what’s important to individuals.

Practical Strategies for Leaders and Colleagues

If you have an unmotivated colleague, the hosts suggest several practical approaches:

  • Be Curious: Start by asking what drives them and what their purpose is. Understand if work is just an enabler for needs met outside, which can be fine if performance aligns with organizational goals.
  • Focus on Performance and Goals: Ultimately, if performance is not meeting organizational needs, tough conversations about growth or potential role changes may be necessary. Organizations and people change, and sometimes it’s okay if alignment is lost.
  • Prioritize Relationships, Appreciation, and Recognition: Fostering positive relationships, protecting time, showing appreciation, and offering recognition are crucial. Recognizing an individual’s status and respect before suggesting a change is also important.
  • Set Expectations and Build Trust: Set clear expectations, trust that people can achieve them, and hold them accountable. However, accountability must come with commensurate authority; otherwise, things can “get kinda sideways”.
  • Foster Autonomy and Build Competence: Give people a sense of control and help them develop their skills.
  • Coaching Over Direction: Instead of simply telling someone what to do, coaching helps individuals come up with their own answers. This reinforces ownership and clarifies mutual expectations.

Conclusion: Continuous Motivation and Future Conversations

Motivation is a complex, multifaceted topic, as “people are complex, organizations are complex”. The episode serves as an excellent introduction, or “history 101,” to the subject. Rich and Ben encourage listeners to engage further, asking for feedback and suggestions for future episodes on motivation, and inviting them to connect via social media or the Harmonious Workplaces website.

Want to boost motivation in your team? Remember to prioritize relationships, show appreciation, recognize efforts, and empower autonomy. Set clear, challenging, and purposeful goals, and always be curious about what drives your colleagues. By doing so, you can create a more harmonious and highly motivated workplace.

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